I'm a little sus about the #Hytale modding infrastructure. Like if "no client mods" (which is a lil problematic but not the point) means even the mods ¿installed? by joining the server can't execute on the client (and instead has to wait for the server to respond), then we are kinda cooked.
@sammypanda Mods are downloaded from the server to connecting clients, rather than needing modpacks like MC which is a mess
Many modders have already gotten early builds and there’s a slew of mods prepped for day 1, and they’ve also been addressing pain points in those areas from the start. It’s a very modders first team/mentality
This is a way better way to do it than requiring every client to have mods installed to use a thing. By doing it this way, people just connect with client then magic
@dodgycoffee yes they def are accessed via the server for Hytale
the question is more:
- are mods only providing the appearance of client modding with purely server-side processing (SSM—server side modding)
or
- can mods downloaded from the server run in the client space (SSCSM—server sent client side modding)
In my opinion, a combination is best, but im less confident they are doing SSCSM
edit:
old tweets from Slikey:
"We said we don't want client modding but client-local scripts are something we can absolutely support. It would hinge on a very limitted API but absolutely within the realm of possibility and doesn't violate any of our core principles to UGC... As we follow the Unreal Blueprints model, you will be able to create new visual nodes with your own Java Logic and use those nodes in visual scripting easily. All of these things are solved conceptually in Unreal Engine.
The client side visual scripts will be more limited but also just focus on better client prediction and some basic UX improvements which are less critical for now."
im so uncertain about this architecture 😁 it seems like "just trust (wait for?) us to implement visual scripting nodes for extending clienty functionality you need how you need it" 😳
So with client side scripting + server-side modding...
Dumb example, but it seems if you had the intention to do a mod that inverts gravity every x client behaviour or timing, especially if paired with requiring a certain state of a data source...
you surely would not be able to properly predict the gravity and it would be latent 
in this specific case you'd have to wait for hytale devs to expose a client node that can read that specific data source, and that has the visual scripting nodes needed to understand that data and x timing or x behaviour means a gravity change would happen... and this is one silly example, some real world things may have far more complicated conditions.
TL;DR: I don't know how they could be confident about doing movement prediction (or adequate scripting to indicate) when it could be triggered by **any possible condition that is conceivably programmable in java**
#Hytale #HytaleModding #HytalePlugin #HypixelStudios #GameDev
I dont have anything technical to add about the viability of modding Hytale but closed source means anti-user every time. I forgot have we talked about luanti or mineclonia?
@ambiguous_yelp there always varying degrees with closed source, in the same way some open source projects are anti-user (like Penpot). I agree though open source is generally better, and iirc they want to open source some components. It not all bad, some good news is that they actually are doing native Linux and Mac builds, a game with so many eyes on it not kneeling to Valve/Steam **and** distributing a flatpak is cool to see!
But back to the topic, if you've modded Luanti you might know if it also had the issue. AFAIK it was super dependent on the server processing mods, rather than a combination of that and sending a client mod to bridge the gap the server latency (or just practical issues the limitation) causes. If i read things right, they only recently managed to recognise this issue and try to make their client side modding server sendable and less flakey and disensentivised. Hytale however I suspect might be where Luanti *was* with this issue. 😬
@sammypanda I'm just glad you've heard of luanti and considered it, I figured that people excited about hytale would like to know about it <3
