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Is there any empirical cognitive neuroscience memory research on what exactly is the skill retained after an ivy league education after 90 days of graduating
After the prestige fades, what baseline cognitive style or quality of thinking actually remains long after elite education?
How much of their baseline way of thinking or knowing from their elite college education is still there long after they’ve earned that degree?
Clichés:
1. Hubris
2. Intellectual arrogance (that "I'm surrounded by idiots!" contempt for the lower orders)
3. Cliques
4. Insider trading
5. Eyeballs deep in debt, leading to untrustworthy discernment
6. Greed, will sell their own mother down the river
7. Disloyal, jumps ship at earliest opportunity
8. Backstabbing
9. Future FARA & RICO defendant
10. Worships power & money
11. Afraid & anxious about change, supports status quo at all costs
12. Risk averse, no innovation
@Npars01 @impactology I'd guess it depends on why people go to ivy league universities to study. The reason WHY is important. Real curiousity about sciences, the urge for comprehension, might prevent the worst in personality damage.
I think mostly they go for credential signalling benefits that gets them heard and respected by people in any room, for life. Be it the labour market or even marriage, the social capital and receptivity they get from people for their thoughts and ideas even if they are shitty ideas lasts for life.
@impactology what a superficial, unsocial reason! I hope, there are still students out there, who study for the sake of knowledge and comprehension. We need people who do research, analytics, help to understand nature! Humankind's future might depend on there work. @Npars01
Sure those who can afford to stay in academia can do for the non-superficial reasons you listed, otherwise given memory doesn't retain what the your work environment doesn't re-trigger a large amount of knowledge they learnt will inevitably fade away and so the utility of the credential then is to land them interviews at bigtech where ATS scans for shiny brand name uni logos
With that credential they will never have to focus on marketing themselves, their brand name uni will do that for them.
Meanwhile the self-taught or those without prestige credential perpetually have to figure out making side projects, doing outreach via proposals, demos. Just so much on the presentation and marketing of their skill apart from the skill development. Meanwhile the credentialed can just ride on their badge for life.
@impactology you see education in general rather negative, or do I missunderstand ? Academia also gives knowledge to the next generation. Universities do exist to help develop a future and not to destroy it or overpower and direct society like some religions do. In free democracies gaining knowledge and giving knowledge is important part of social & scientific & technical development. We cannot do without. We'd parish as a species.
@Npars01
I don't see education as negative at all, I'm simply talking about the aspect of prestige signalling aspect of it that has a utilitarian pragmatic value for which most people choose it which lasts longer than the knowledge retained
@impactology okay. I see "Prestige" not as important. Maybe it wasn't as important in my life at all. And I managed to study in different countries. In EU we have exchange programs, and they have been existing for many years, even enable people to study during sabbaticals in their careers. @Npars01
Like I said you guys live on a different plane of reality, which is nice. Even the poorest amongst y'all, without money, intelligence or connections gets to experience a comfortable dignified fulfilling life simply by being born there.
Even the work culture is great, no toxic boss worker dynamics.
Even germany has them right?
@impactology some, but student numbers are high and there are limits to any course! So it's not that easy. And you need the basic start, which is already higher education and tests to enroll @Npars01
Right ofc, I'm sure its not very easy but in the end a person still lands on their feet, enters adulthood, gets a professional identity, starts earning, develops competencies and retains them, gets married, buys a house, has a social life, has kids EVEN when they don't have money and connections nor particularly high intellect because of the baselines you guys have and size of the smaller much saner job market
