Diskussion
The win of the far right AfD last Sunday clearly shows that we need new social networks that can't be manipulated by outside players to influence public opinions and elections. And Bluesky, Mastodon, Eurosky, WSocial and others are just not successful enough. We need something better. And I know that everyone at Mastodon likes Mastodon. But the majority of the people is not here. Has someone any ideas?
@timo@social.hetzel.net you don't like mastodon but are hosting a instance for yourself? Seems a bit ironic with all the other options out there 😅
@Karlitschek@mastodon.social I really think Fedi is the way to go for social media. (Guess why I am here lol)
But there are still some painpoints for casual users.
And the list could go probably on and on and on. There is a nice article about this topic and what is currently being built to hopefully fix them in the future: wedistribute.org/2026/04/the...
A side note: As I understand WSocial already has its own issues, specially within their board (like Anna Zeiter, wsocial ceo reposting content from Martin Sellner associated accounts), but thats a separate issue 😐
@Karlitschek I am no IT-Guy, but I think the fediverse and mastodon tick all the right boxes - it is more a chicken and egg dilemma: if all public facilities would prioritize communication on this platform, if every pupil and every student would get an account at the their schools/universities servers, if everything all European politicians would have to say and discuss would take place on Mastodon and so on. Then everyone would be curious about the platform, and FOMO would do the rest...
@Karlitschek Frank, in my observation "the social" in conversations is fading - talking to a chat bot, who is allways positiv, supoortive answering in same conversation bubble context. ... so attractive, no dispute no resistance. -People are isolating them self - that maybe a hidden goal.
Saw after the result in Sachsen Anhalt, you poked into nextcloud social app code ;-).
@Karlitschek es ist eben den meisten Menschen nicht klar, dass sie in einem Gefängnis mit goldenem Interieur sind, dass ein Ausbrechen/Umziehen (=Migrieren) nicht erlaubt. Die meisten ahnen wohl auch nicht, dass nur Insassen ihr tolles Interieur sehen können, Externe sehen nur eine graue Betonwand.
Zu viele Insassen erzeugen den Netzwerkeffekt, sich ins Gefängnis zu begeben ;)
Selbst wenn niemand die kommerz. SM-Angebote manipulieren würde, so zerstören ihre Mechanismen des Aufmerksamkeitsmanagements inhärent die gesellschaftliche Willensbildungsfähigkeit, ohne die jede demokratische Republik erledigt ist.
Es fehlt nicht an technischen Grundlagen. Es fehlt an der mangelnden Bereitschaft der natürlichen Gestalter gesellschaftlicher Diskursräume (Vereine, Parteien, Gewerkschaften, Religionsgemeinschaften, öffentl. Einrichtungen etc.) Verantwortung für die Gestaltung digitaler Diskursräume zu übernehmen.
@Karlitschek What if you pushed mastodon in NextCloud as a default app thing ?
I do think that 'lack of knowledge' is a big part of why people aren't here.
@Karlitschek Decentralised infrastructure and open protocols are the way to go, unfortunately we have two competing protocols now. I think if they share the same goal, the leading forces behind ATproto and ActivityPub need to work on making them compatible or bridge them in some way.
@Karlitschek
The best networks are built in real life, not online - and that's why they are so hard to build!
@Karlitschek You’re asking for a social network that cannot be influenced from the outside. The only way to achieve this is with a decentralized solution. At the same time, it should also be successful without global big players being able to manipulate the network for their own benefit.
This, in turn, only works if the institutions that have the necessary leverage actually use it. The software already exists. No one is saying it has to be Mastodon—after all, we’re in the Fediverse. 1/x
@Karlitschek Is that really a social-media problem or something that can be solved by doing social media better?
It's part of the puzzle, no doubt, but really I'm not sure that there is a solution that is both centralized (which is what you need for popularity) and immune to bad actors with more money than morals.
Sorry, I don't have any good answers and certainly no silver bullet answers that can be deployed as quick fixes. We're living in a corrupt system that has thumbs on virtually every scale we should be able to use to fix things.
What we need most of all is unity and the will to push back.
@Karlitschek I don’t like Mastodon, and still I pay for my own instance as all the others inevitably will turn to crap as well.