Have you heard of Apple's decision on the rollout of Siri AI in Europe? Let's get the facts straight ⬇️
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@EUCommission it's not for you to choose what options a provider give us. If we trust Apple to give us the right choice, it should be our choice as consumer to buy their products with the feature set complete.
You meddling with a free market and telling a private enterprise how they should build their products is a scary thing for a regulatory body to do.
let the market choose on its own.
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- We also tell car manufacturers that they cannot make products that pollute the air to their own liking.
- We also tell toy manufacturers that they cannot put toxic chemicals in their products.
- We also tell manufacturers of electronic devices that they cannot just slap anything together and not test them
- We also tell producers of medicine that they cannot just put whatever they want in their pills.
Regulation is quite normal - even in the US.
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@jrossstocholm @EUCommission it is yeah, and we can argue which are needed, which ones end up having negative effects.
For me, regarding the DMA, I think the spirit and the idea is good, but results are a net negative (we don’t have iPhone mirroring, we won’t have Siri ai)
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@EUCommission @webjac Yes, we can certainly (and should!) talk about the effects of regulation.
I am pretty sure that one of the reasons for why most of the global tech growth is coming from US is the lack of regulation - or to reverse it: I am sure that the (tight) regulation in Europe will impede growth and move it to other markets. So the "Move fasts and break stuff" credo of e.g., Facebook would not be allowed in Europe.
To me - the consequences of non-regulation is worse. I believe that (by and large) the European GDPR legislation is a fantastic thing, but of course it has an effect on the things we can do in Europe (because suppliers of services cannot do whatever they want with our data).
There is always a trade-off. There is no such thing as a free lunch ...
@EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu I am really confused about some of the comments under this post. Are people afraid of... choice?
Sure, trust Apple and just use whatever they recommend, no problem there. But where's the issue in having more choice?
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@lelehier @EUCommission Not afraid of choice. People try to explain why Apple refuses to offer the choice. They implemented their own AI features in a way that they can’t ever access your data. If they open those APIs up to other vendors, they provide them with full access to nearly all data on your device. Apple can’t control what those vendors do with that data. They could easily offer the choice, but how would they warn an average user about what that would mean for access to their data?
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@basketkees @lelehier @EUCommission False. Read Apple’s own press release.
They offered to allow third parties access via a trust layer.
But they won’t use that trust layer themselves.
That’s the whole issue.
if you follow EUCommission the comments underneath is always a sea of reply guys whining and high holy "extremely serious" outrage... on stupid bullshit premises
they're trolls
it's fake astroturfed discontent
they work an anti-EU agenda
they may not even be in the EU (their profiles can lie about where they are from)
they will use any premise to attack
here it is: "how dare you question holy Apple!"
it's lying fake bullshit
attacking the #EU is their real agenda
@lelehier I am with you - I think it is the minority who is afraid to have freedom of choice - and as always, making a choice means to take responsibility, to be able to do so requires a minimum of brain activity. The loudest unfortunately are always the dumbest. @EUCommission
@EUCommission this seems like a you problem. Maybe down the road they’ll make the feature modular they have already done so for other agent choices like XCode.
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@kevm @EUCommission Then do it now.
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@EUCommission To be clear: Apple was not unable, but much rather *unwilling* to develop interoperability. This is intentional.
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@EUCommission In case anyone forgets what a government is actually for, watch it again. Trickle-down economy and auto-regulated market be damned! Takes a government to prevent abuses. When it remembers its role of course. The day we're able to stop voting from fear and hate is the day we'll get results from the people we elect. There is no providential person to save us all, only smart voters choosing the right team (and I don’t mean party).
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@EUCommission Thanks for the clear response. Thoughtful, robust rules support innovation, protect competition, and make life better for all of us in the EU.
Extra props for communicating this clearly and unambiguously.
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One more reason for sane US citizens to migrate to Europe:)
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So they're concerned about fair competition between competing fraudulent fake-AI products? What's next, fair competition between competing ransomware and botnets?
My only interest in "Siri AI" and any other LLM slop is "how do I disable and delete it". It's really disturbing that anyone actually wants this stuff.
@EUCommission I don't want you to open my system to 3rd parties, especially Meta or Google.
Saying Apple "uses" Google is already proof of your poor tech knowledge, but at least, you have a nice suit and watch. I'll give you that.
Also, fix your other data privacy decisions first:
And, don't forget: You were never voted by the people in your position.
Thank you.
@EUCommission i love this guy so much! his first hit about Grok‘s disgoostääng spicy mode lives in my head rent free
@EUCommission Thanks, we need the EU to stand up to big tech.
By the way, we need alternative mobile OS, or we will depend on those two big techs anyway! Fund Linux alternatives for mobile and desktop. They couldn't compete now, but promote and fund them 2 years and let's see.
@EUCommission Can you run any OS other than iOS on the iPhone? Thought not. Great ability to not own the hardware you paid for.
@EUCommission DMA has an air of expecting everyone to be a rational expert user, fully knowledgeable and wise when making choices. In practice, too many people will happily let Temu AI read their messages if promised a cheap trinket. Keep butting heads with Apple, neither of you are in a good place yet-both of you need an opinionated sparring partner.
@EUCommission
Fight malicious Compliance!
@EUCommission „to close“, Not „too close“
@EUCommission if Apple is unable to develop interoperability solutions ... I would not call this "they choose, not to deliver..."
Yes, in theory one could argue that they still could have delivered and violated some regulations.... But that's not really what anybody wants.
On the other hand
If Apple choose to not deliver - they were not: "unable to provide" ...
@EUCommission Just ditch your iPhone and buy a Fairphone 6 with /e/os from Murena.com
I did 🙂🇩🇰
@EUCommission I’m usually a fan of European regulations, but in this case, I find the Commission’s reasoning questionable.
Apple runs the AI models either locally on the device or in a specially secured cloud environment. For both, Apple guarantees that no one except the user has access to the processed data. The effort involved in operating the private cloud compute is enormous and well-documented.
In return, the AI then gains comprehensive access to user data.
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@EUCommission Thank you for this clear answer!
@EUCommission
Normally I am in heated agreement with EU style regulation but I'm not on this.
VW only uses VW parts on VW cars. Do consumers have a right to buy a VW car and insist on a Toyota steering wheel? Obviously not.
@EUCommission did you ask the EU citizens if they even wanted to choose a different AI provider?
@EUCommission Can we have a legally enforceable ‘opt-out’ option for any and all “AI” slop?
@EUCommission @timo That little dig at the end alone shows that the guy doesn't even know what he's talking about 🤷♂️
@EUCommission
What's the idea in this being edited and clipped so heavily? I cannot listen to stuff like this, no matter how accurately this may convey the point, I have no faith watching heavily edited dialog.
It seems to be becomming the norm, and I hate it. Is it to fit into some yt shorts, tiktok or insta max time limit? Or is it thought that I haven't the time to let the speaker take a breather, or pause for effect, or think??
@EUCommission 70 megabyte video of just man speaking and no alt text? cmon, you can do better 
@EUCommission I just find it amazing how different everyone’s take on this is. Apple says the EU is to blame for Siri AI not launching here, while you guys say it’s entirely Apple’s fault. Let’s be honest, the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle. I also think it’s good that we don’t just rubber-stamp solutions from tech giants like Apple as if there were no risks involved. However, I do wonder: Why didn’t Apple try harder? Apple has been stringing us along since 2024, promising that the AI features would come. In all that time, surely it should have been possible to find a constructive solution for everyone.
@EUCommission no, the reason is that Apple does not want ANY random LLM to be able to scan our phones, the EU and their braindead people deciding on this should get their shit together and simply allow Apple to use what they think is the best. I want SIRI AI and I don't want you to dictate what Apple can or cannot! I hope my country leaves the EU soon, I really hope so!
@EUCommission On Mastodon of all places, I did not expect Apple users whining in the comments.
@EUCommission You are neither acting in the sense of consumers nor in the interests of European software businesses. The problem in this is case is *you* - the EU commission. You are hindering software innovation made in the EU.You are hindering business opportunities. Most users give a shit about third-party AI or third-party integrations. Customers are interested in devices with maximum privacy. This is what Apple stands for. The ego trip of the EU commission is hilarious. Get over it.
@EUCommission @gklka Hey, you should tell this to the three people using any “alternative marketplace” on iOS.
As an Apple user, I don’t care who says what. I buy Apple products because of their functionality and seamless integration. These regulations are negatively impacting the user experience of this integration, which you clearly have no fucking clue about. Nobody asked you to disrupt this with any regulations.
Apple's endgame is never to comply with the EU Commission, but rather wait for enough people to complain to the EU Commission to change the rules.
That is the endgame.
@EUCommission how is this different from Gemini on Pixel phones which are allowed and sold in the EU?
@EUCommission Apple is outsourcing it to Google Gemini.
No thanks ...
