@david_chisnall I'm with you here, but just saying: narcissists don't have to "copy" anybody, in the sense that they are fully-formed that way - according to psychology - **even by the age of 6 or 9**. They will behave in the egregious, toxic ways we know, and cringe at, until their dying breath, with about 95% statistical likelihood (again, according to #psychology). They virtually never want to go to a psychologist to change things, because they're ~200% confident they're doing things just great already, thank you very much - their toxicity is a "winning" strategy to them.